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Miniature Bull Terrier Breeder Interviews; Kathy Schoeler of Graystone and BJ Andrews of O'BJ Miniature Bull Terriers.

 


Miniature Bull Terrier Breeder Interviews

Excerpted from ShowSight Seminars developed by Barbara "BJ" Andrews, September 1998

 

I interview many judges and top terrier authorities for ShowSight Magazine. Everyone was asked the same questions, in the same order. I interviewed Kathy Schoeler because "Biff" was so outstanding and her expertise as a Miniature Bull Terrier breeder merited sharing. I have excerpted her response and added my own for the Mini-Bull Terrier section.

 

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Kathy Schoeler

“Graystone” Miniature Bull Terriers

Barbara Andrews

“O’BJ” Miniature Bull Terriers

Kathy and Al Schoeler started out 10 years ago to find the best in Mini-Bulls and after a lot of research, they purchased, as a puppy, Ch. Grayoak Harvetta Wallbanger. “Harvi” was a breeder’s dream for through that foundation bitch, the  Schoelers produced five MBT from two litters, from which came two MBTCA National Specialty winners, Ch. Graystone Stormin Norman and double National Winner, Ch. Graystone White On White, known to all as “Biff.” “Harvi” earned an Award Of Merit from the Veteran’s class in both 1996 and 1997. Biff set a new standard for the breed racking up an incredible, breeder-owner-handled record of only one defeat under a breeder judge! He was undefeated in Specialty, Supported, and Trophy shows, winning the Van Hildrikhusan Trophy and retiring the Regency Works trophy.

 

After retiring the unbeatable dog, they are breeder-owner-handlers of Ch. Graystone Little Bit Country, the multi-Best In Show bitch and the first to make the Terrier Top Ten list.

Best known as an Akita breeder, “BJ” has bred over 230 AKC champions in five breeds, including Standard and Miniature Bull Terriers. Importing from England in 1983, she and Bill established the MBTCA and began the job of moving the breed out of Miscellaneous Class.

 

Their second litter contained a single puppy, Ch. Shurlock Holmes O’BJ, destined to become the first AKC Group winner. BJ dropped out of Mini-Bulls to breeder-owner handle the Top Winning Akita All Time. When she lost The Widow-Maker, they also lost interest in shows until Dan Greenwald and Bill became co-owners on the #2 All Time BIS Chihuahua.

 

When she was asked to write the Miniature Bull Terrier book, BJ realized an old love can be as exciting as a new one. Another trip to England resulted in four new imports, making them a three-breed family, and she says they are enjoying the shows “three times as much.”

1. WHAT IS THE SINGLE BIGGEST MISCONCEPTION ABOUT YOUR BREED?

Ch. Greystone White on White

That people don’t understand the temperament. I’ve even had judges hesitate when looking in the mouth. They are supposed to be sweet, outgoing – and that’s what they really are. They are tough little dogs as far as other dogs are concerned, especially males with males, but they are wonderful with people.  ~ Graystone Miniature Bull Terriers

Ch. Mivvy & Ch. Becca - Snoozing Comfortably Together

That they can’t live with other dogs. Our foundation Akita bitch had this funny white “growth” attached to her neck, which after about four months, turned into our first Miniature Bull Terrier! The Mini-Bull girls are very gentle with our two Chihuahuas.  Oh, and smart enough that Bill Koehler has a BT drill team! ~ O'BJ Mini-Bulls

2. WHAT IS THE MOST DEFINING PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTIC?

The head. It is a head breed. Type comes first and especially in the Miniature. I’d say up until the last couple of years, you just didn’t find the type that looked like a true Standard Bull Terrier. The head is so important although I like the ultra short back, and short little “carrot” tails. And of course, the short little ears, and varmity eyes, well placed and correct size and shape.

~ Graystone Miniature Bull Terriers

For the Miniature it is size but of course the breed is defined by the head.

 

That vise-grip foreface is so unusual and then when you add the piercing expression, it’s about as distinctive as it gets.

BJ Andrews ~ O'BJ Mini-Bulls

3. WHICH BEHAVIORAL CHARACTERISTIC MOST TYPIFIES THE BREED?

That they are such outgoing, happy dogs.

Kathy Schoeler, ~ Graystone Miniature Bull Terriers

That jaunty, devil-may-care, “corky” attitude that can be instantly switched into “off mode” just by taking one into the lap. ~ O'BJ Mini-Bulls

4. WHAT IS THE MOST COMMON JUDGING MISTAKE IN YOUR BREED?

I think that judges need to look at the overall dog but they still need to keep an account of the head. The head is the easiest lost in breeding – it can vanish like a dream. There are many many Bull Terriers that have perfect bites but I could count on the fingers of one hand, the Mini-Bull Terriers that have the head I think could actually define the standard. ~ Graystone Miniature Bull Terriers

Forgetting this is a BULL-terrier. A bullie breed cannot move like a Welsh. It should not appear racy. And unlike most other terrier breeds, a scissors bite is not preferred over a level bite. The standard is clear - an undershot bite is faulted only to the degree it departs from level.

BJ Andrews ~ O'BJ Mini-Bulls

5. WOULD YOU PREFER THE BREED BE JUDGED STANDING OR MOVING?

I’d prefer moving, because you can tell how they are really made.  ~ Kathy Schoeler, Graystone Miniature Bull Terriers

Movement displays that characteristic jaunty, “gladiator” attitude. A good Mini-Bull is like a little Quarter Horse, appearing almost muscle-bound, so if it moves like a dancer instead of a weight lifter, it can’t be a good Bull Terrier. ~ O'BJ Mini-Bulls

6. WHAT COSMETIC ALTERATIONS SHOULD JUDGES KNOW ABOUT?

Not any that I can think of. You could say fixing the mouth but I don’t think that’s even done because the really good ones, nobody cares. I mean, if the head is beautiful, who would care about fixing the mouth? I mean Biff’s mouth isn’t perfect and I’ve had breeder judges insist that I show him to all rounders but some of them would look at his mouth and that was the end of the story even though under breeder judges, he was undefeated! I guess it’s hard for judges to try to get past something with one breed that is so terribly terribly important in another breed.

~ Kathy Schoeler

 

Not many in this breed. I suppose chalk is a cosmetic but a white Bullie with no chalk is like a movie star with no makeup…

BJ Andrews ~ O'BJ Mini-Bulls

7. WHAT IS OF GREATEST CONCERN TO BREEDERS TODAY?

Trying to breed a perfect dog, keeping a great head and trying to get a good bite which is very hard with this very arched head. Also of concern is lack of bone and substance, whether it’s Mini or Standard. ~ Kathy Schoeler Graystone Miniature Bull Terriers

Other than health problems, I’d say mouths because dogs with no type or spooky temperament can defeat excellent dogs that have faulty bites. The concern is that the breed will diverge even more into a “breed” dog and a “group” dog because judges don’t understand the priorities even though they are clearly explained in both AKC breed videos. If breeders can keep their balance, can deal with the difficulty of staying mid-course, striking a balance between bull and terrier, then judges can do no less.

~ O'BJ Mini-Bulls

8. WHAT IS THE MOST ENDEARING QUALITY OF YOUR BREED?

How they love their families! They are not pack-oriented. You can have the dogs outside but if you’re out, they want to be right with you. They will break away from each other to go to their people. ~ Kathy Schoeler  Graystone Miniature Bull Terriers

Their uncanny self-awareness and appreciation for what we call creature-comforts. You expect a Toy to want satin pillows but it’s surprising in a tough little muscle man! That, combined with an uncanny ability to get into your head, to communicate in a way that borders on “weird.” Bill and I call them “eggheads” because of what’s in there, not just for the way it looks. ~ O'BJ Mini-Bulls

9. WHAT ARE THE THREE WORDS THAT BEST DESCRIBE YOUR BREED?

Short strong backs.

Short level tail.

Short fox ears.

~ Kathy Schoeler, Graystone Miniature Bull Terriers

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Bodacious!

 

.... oh, and did I mention "Bodacious?"

BJ Andrews ~ O'BJ Mini-Bulls

 

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